Severe punishment for eternity, reserved for Satan and his demons as well as the sons of perdition, those humans who once embraced Mormonism and left to fight against the faith, even though they knew Mormonism was true. . Twelfth President Spencer W. Kimball wrote. So lets turn to that bastion of all wisdom that Jeremy Runnells was blamed for not believing and turning to with questions: FAIRMormon: The church has no official position on this issue. This is serving Satan. Thank you! The Nephites became so wicked, that contemplating murder was a source of happiness. The Book of Mormon contains six references to the second death: one reference by Jacob (Jacob 3:11), three by Alma (Alma 12:16, 32; 13:30), and two by Samuel the Lamanite (Hel. Mormons believe that only a Son of Perdition will go to Outer Darkness, their version of most Christian religions understanding of Hell. Your email address will not be published. It is impossible for those who never joined Mormonism to become sons of perdition. Yet what kind of devious person would it be who knew full well that Mormonism was trueincluding the historicity of theBook of Mormon,the authenticity of the restored churchs leadership that began withJoseph Smith,and the accuracy of theFirst Visioneventand then fight against these truths? Lets go to modern revelation: that there would be no daughters of perdition. Joseph F. Smith Stan Larsen, ed., A Ministry of Meetings: The Diaries of Rudger Clawson, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Smith Associates and Signature Books, 1993) p. 560, Somebody called me up on the telephone and asked if there were daughters of perdition. Pingback: The Shunning Key by bwv549 - Mormon Bandwagon, A Son of Perdition is: By EntropyJustKillUsNow, March 29, 2017 in Social Hall. But the children of the kingdom [i.e., covenant breakers] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. Unfortunately, Apple's iOS doesn't support home screen shortcuts in the Chrome browser. The New Testament contains four references to the second death, all located in the Revelation of John. Why practically nobody-including you, former Mormon-will ever end up in In the Latter Day Saint movement, "outer darkness" can refer to hell (the place where the spirits of the wicked reside after death but before the resurrection)[3] or to the place where the sons of perdition will reside. Jesus declared that this exalted city would be brought down to hell (Matt. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire [i.e., overcome or defeated by Christs Atonement]. However, Lucifer did not know all the purposes of the Father as we learn from the Pearl of Great Price, Moses 4:6. They knew better but still chose wrong, one told me. So there you go, the souls who end up in Outer Darkness are clearly apostates, or not. Hell is a state of suffering, both temporary and permanent. Grant Building Outer darkness is a eternal place of torment reserved for those who are "sons of perdition." According to LDS scripture, this will be a place that "where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth" (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881.). Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. kingdoms of glory. If their Prophet wrote in a journal, or said to someone in passing, or gave a talk a local school saying that, Eating toast without butter is a sin worthy of hell! that does not make it a Mormon Doctrine. 1:13), gates of hell (2 Ne. 3:20; 10:9- 10; Eph. You quoted a website (Wikipedia) which is not doctrine and another website (FAIRMormon) which directly says it is not doctrine. This is in contrast to the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, who will receive a kingdom of glory after the Final Judgment, and enter into one of three degrees of glory after the resurrection: celestial, terrestrial, or telestial kingdoms. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220). Later in the same discourse Alma blended the doctrines of the Fall, agency, and the second death together as an admonition to keep the commandments of God (see Alma 12:3137). Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie have rejected the idea that those in perdition can ultimately be redeemed, which contradicts Brighams speculations. We believe that after the final judgment there are four places to which a person may be sent. What qualifies a person to be a Son of Perdition? They did what they did with their eyes open, and were in rebellion against God. But as with anything, that doesnt stop prophets from talking about it like they knew. 20:1314). It's not as simple as you make it out to be. So the prophet, meeting with apostles is clear on this, there are women. A representation of the tree degrees of glory and outer darkness. Delving into the interesting bits about any religion to stem from Joseph Smith Jr. Joseph F. Smith,The Second Death,inBrian H. Stuy (editor). In Mormonism, it depends. Death brought a reversal of their conditions wherein the rich man in hell became a beggar, longing for a drop of water from the finger of Lazarus, who was now in heaven, or Abrahams bosom. In the parable Abraham explained the impossibility of receiving his request, because between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence (Luke 16:1926). hell.. In a general conference talk, Joseph Fielding Smith further explained that. But to pass it off as a belief of an entire Church, organization and people is wrong. Also, Joseph confuses things further by combining words typically used with Hell to describe outer darkness: A sinner has his own mind and his own mind damns him. Which means that really, no one knows anything about this. The phrases depths of hell, awful hell, sleep of hell, pains of hell, chains of hell, everlasting hell, and endless hell are all unique to the Book of Mormon. Just because Hitler, Mao, and Stalin along with Judas Iscariot (as mentioned above) never became Latter-day Saints apparently provides them with a much higher privilegea life in the telestial kingdom over those who once believed but left the true fold, kicking and screaming in their continued fight against the restored church of Jesus Christ. Who of the following is NOT eligible for Outer Darkness. Hence, the term outer darkness. T F Once a spirit enters Outer Darkness, there will be no leaving there. 10:28). For behold, he surely must die that salvation may come; yea, it behooveth him and becometh expedient that he dieth, to bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, that thereby men may be brought into the presence of the Lord. Christians have debated for centuries the nature of the hell fire of which Jesus spoke (Matt. Spirit world (Latter Day Saints) - Wikipedia 15:29, 35; Alma 19:29; 54:7), sleep of hell (2 Ne. Because reasons. 5:22), and the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone of which the apostle John wrote (Rev. Yea, Alma wrote, I did remember all my sins and iniquities, for which I was tormented with the pains of hell (Alma 36:13). 3:12), the tares are gathered and burned in the fire (Matt. So why dont we get outer darkness too? Mormonism - Afterlife and Salvation - Patheos To become a son of perdition one must sin against the Holy Ghost, but before that is possible, one must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p. 161). And remember you can be excommunicated for asking church leaders to give solid answers so trust the apologists who say to only trust the prophets on matters like this. He also saw a pale horse with a rider whose name was Death, and Hell followed with him (Rev. Outer darkness - Wikipedia When the king asked, "Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?" However, based on the teaching of church leaders, I believe it is utterly impossible for any mortal to become this despised son of perdition. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. [1] See also Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed. One of these guests, however, appeared without the proper wedding attire. Which would be a sure-fire way to know that a spirit is headed to Outer Darkness? He had a sure witness of the Lord and willfully chose to follow Satan instead. 9:710, 19, 26). Mormon Doctrine Lecture, #2, Brigham Young University, 1967.). 6:28), hell fire (3 Ne. Ray L. Huntington and Terry B. Who goes to Outer Darkness, a handy guide - Exploring Mormonism (See D&C 76:2835, 4448.) It is provided through Christ's atonement and received by personal faith in Christ as Savior and Lord. Generally, the outer darkness is thought to be hell; however, many Christians associate the outer darkness more generally as a place of separation from God or from the metaphorical "wedding banquet" that Jesus is expected to have upon his Second Coming . lucifer. Rev. 22:13). How unfair is this scenario? Jacob identified death and hell as temporal and spiritual death. King Benjamin defined the cause of this great torment: Therefore if that man repenteth not, and remaineth and dieth an enemy to God, the demands of divine justice do awaken his immortal soul to a lively sense of his own guilt, which doth cause him to shrink from the presence of the Lord, and doth fill his breast with guilt, and pain, and anguish, which is like an unquenchable fire, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever. 11:3940; 18:13), pains of hell (Jacob 3:1112; Alma 14:6; 26:13; 36:13), chains of hell (Alma 5:7, 910; 12:11; 13:30; 26:14), child of hell (Alma 11:23; 54:11), powers of hell (Alma 48:17), everlasting hell (Hel. Please note that FAIRMormon states it is not doctrine on the website. Johns references to the second death testify of its existence but do not offer any explanatory information that instructs those readers who do not already understand the doctrine. A) Most humans B) Satan C) His angels D) Sons of Perdition. Each differing in Glory but all great places to go. Clearly, when it comes to perdition and outer darkness, I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me, and anyone who speaks on the matter has a dizzying intellect. 2. Even if I did, I still am not eligible for outer darkness. The question is, what exactly does full knowledge entail? This is the final destination of Satan himself. In this realm, as the name implies, there will be no light, and consequently no heat. It is true that the only mortals who had once been members are eligible to become sons of perdition, a fact that may worry some former Mormons who wonder if they might be destined for outer darkness. Those mortals who never join the LDS Church (through baptism) cannot become sons of perdition. Discourse delivered October 8, 1861, pp. Hmmm.. I doubt whether it can be found, from the revelations that are given and the facts as they exist, that there is a female in all the regions of hell. Brigham Young Journal of Discourses 8:222. Another manual states, Baptism is the first saving ordinance of the gospel (see Articles of Faith 1:4). How many people. Dennis L. Largey, Hell Second Death, Lake of Fire and Brimstone, and Outer Darkness, inThe Book of Mormon and the Message of the Four Gospels, ed. Publishing, 19871989), 4:227228. You dont believe it is true, which is the reason why you left. You are taking quotes that are not Mormon Doctrine. Joseph restated that anyone who apostatized from the church was a son of perdition in a poem for W.W. Phelps, Sons of Perdition as those who are ever lost, and can never return to the presence of God, the poem declared that such is the torment apostates receive. (Joseph Smith, The Answer to W.W. Phelps, Esq. Other sources used in composing this topic: http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness#Usage_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement, http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Eventual_fate, http://emp.byui.edu/satterfieldb/quotes/Sons%20of%20Perdition.htm. 12:16), hell which hath no end (1 Ne. 5:22), burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire (Matt. This analysis will first briefly review what we know from the teachings of the Restoration about hell, second death, the lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. I can give you more than plenty of examples of that. Jesus proclaimed to Peter that the gates of hell would not prevail against the rock upon which He would build the Church (Matt. 21:8; cf. Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List. That it is the most severe punishment that can be meted out to man is apparent. In addition, Alma defined the second death as dying as to things pertaining unto righteousness. These individuals are chained down to an everlasting destruction and are subject to the will of Satan. This website is not owned by or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (sometimes called the Mormon or LDS Church). King Benjamin also taught that the fiery suffering was a state of misery one encounters when viewing ones sinfulness: They shall be judged, every man according to his works, whether they be good, or whether they be evil. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_perdition_(Mormonism). Provo, UT 84602 (Joseph F. Smith,The Second Death,inBrian H. Stuy (editor), Collected Discourses: Delivered by Wilford Woodruff, his two counselors, the twelve apostles, and others, 18681898, 5 vols., (Woodland Hills, Utah: B.H.S. Ah yes, well with clarity like that, why would Jeremy ever doubt them and ask for official sources! When the lights were out and we were on the verge of sleep, our camp counselor took advantage of the moment and endeavored to imprint his teachings upon the minds of his captive audience. 3. (see Rom. 14:18.) What is the Book of Mormons contribution to our understanding of the New Testaments teachings concerning hell, or that lake of fire John calls the second death (Rev. The Sons of Perdition are those who have lived as mortal men and women on the earth, have had the heavens opened to them and received a certain knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, and then have rejected the Savior, "having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame" (Doctrine and Covenants 76:34-35; see also Doctrine and Covenants 76:3133, 3637). We found these portrayals to be highly inaccurate. Outer Darkness. Conclusion The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. 12:22). The first death is physical death, and everyone but the devil and his angels will overcome physical death through Resurrection. That it is the most severe punishment that can be meted out to man is apparent. They place themselves beyond the power of repentance and beyond the mercies of God. The Book of Mormon contains one reference to outer darkness. (Selections of Doctrines of Salvation, p. 462. The kingdom that is not a kingdom of glory is called outer darkness. Thank you! Yet I never was baptized and confirmed into this church.
